Bleeding Out and Rez'ing

A bit of stuff from Dead and Alex about bleeding out and rezzing people.


Me:

When should you bleedout while your alone?

When should you go
over 120m to heal someone?

Should you spend the extra points for
the complete line of medics, or
should you just go with the Full rez
and skip the partial?

Is it better to have a heavy kit for lots
of protection when your
rezzing, or is it better to go with a light
kit for moving faster?

During each game, should you concentrate
on getting lots of points by
running around rezzing (and having a
bad k/d) or by getting lots of
kills?

How can you balance
each kit for rezzing or killing?

Is there a map that's really
good for running around rezzing?

Should a sniper move from his
position to get rez somebody?

Is smoke or flashbangs worth having
when your rezzing?

Is an APC better for moving around when your
rezzing, or foot?

How long should be the minimum you should wait
for before you bleed out?

Is it a good idea to give info to
people about the guys around you while
your in 'bleedout mode'?

If
so, what kind of info should you be giving your team?

Alex:

In my opinion:

You should bleed out if your alone and the
majority of your squad is bled out. Look at the list of names. Are they
solid red or flashing red? If they're solid red and your by yourself
then bleed out. That way you can re-spawn with the rest of your squad
and are able to stay/attack/defend together. The exception is in
Domination where there is no reason to bleedout while defending the
letter objectives.

If they have told you there's a squad of them
moving that side, head over, rez and then the 2 of you hunt them down
from behind.
If your running back from the spawn. Head to rez them.
Even if you don't make it you have a chance of running into their killer
and taking him down.
If they are the only person on that flank.
Again if you don't make it then at least there is someone there to cover
that position until he respawns and returns.

I've never had the
full line, so I've never noticed a difference between charge times. For
me I'd save the 2 points and just get the Full Rez. However if there is a
big difference then I may be tempted to get the full line.

I've
always been a fan of Light weight armours. The extra speed makes up for
the lack of protection. Allowing you to get in and out without taking to
many hits. Also allows you to make ground a lot quicker when racing to
rez someone/racing out of the line of fire.

There is no real
reason why you can't have a good number of kills and revives. KDR
doesn't come into it. If you can take out 5 guys and rez 2 or rez 5 and
take out 2 both are good and are irrespective of deaths. Although I
would hope whoevers coming to rez me is going to clear the guys on top
of me before rezzing IF HE CAN. Countless times I've run out of a clip
to close to the action and rezzed a friend only for us to both get
killed but like wise I've rezzed a friend who then takes the four guys
around him leaving the enemy thinking "F*** my life. He just killed four
of us."

My kits are near identical. A weapon, Medkit, Motion
Sensor and either an Explosives Detector/First Aid Kit/Rocket Launcher.
All with Light/Light Imp Armour.

Darien Network and Copper Hills.

Yes.
Snipers should move to rez. They should be up on the front lines like
everyone else. If they're sniping then tell someone who can cover you
while you take a prone shot but then after 2/3 shots you should be
moving on to a new place.. Likewise it's your responsibility to take out
any enemy snipers trying to take out your partner. Snipers work with a
spotter in a warzone, like wise they should in MAG.

Smoke/Flash
could be useful for rezzing but I wouldn't use them I would rather carry
a Motion Sensor.

Foot. The APC can't really move around as well
as you can on foot. By all means use the APC to get closer to him of
maybe shielding the two of you. But don't remove the APC from where it
needs to be in your effort to rez.

Use common sense. There isn't
any minimum time. Ask "Is anyone nearby". Look around with the camera.
Is anyone running in your direction? Check your clip. Do you need to
reload the moment you get up in an army of guys. In such a case who's
coming to rez you? Is it a monster killer? In every case you need to
assess the situation and judge it on it's merits.

Yes to a point.
Give information on how many, which side/compass direction they're on,
what weapons they're carrying. Try to refrain from saying where they are
in relation to the people in your squad. Last thing you want is them
taking too much extra care or worse preparing an ambush.

Dead:

When should you bleedout while your alone?

First off your most likely to be in the wrong spot. Eh, some
times the enemy will carry you off as they run away. I would have to
look at the enemy count around me then look at the mini map to see where
you guys are. Any blue dots? No nothing I'm frack as I'm nowhere near
the spot I'm supossed to be. Waiting it out a bit and not yelling for a
medic I would just bleed out.

When should
you go over 120m to heal someone?

If you just spawned
in, every time. Ok, so depending on the enemy forces I would every
time also. But I will say if I'm on my way or not. I've got a clear
route and will be there in a few. Giving the distance in incraments. If
the enemy forces are thick it might take to long for me to get there
then your on your own but, still I will try to get there.

Should you spend the extra points for the complete line
of medics, or
should you just go with the Full rez and skip the
partial?

First off I would like to tell you that by
getting the Improved Healing (IM) the xp you get from healing other
players almost doubles and it seems as if you can heal multiples if the're
bunched up together. Now with that said I would have to say yes. When
you respec your character you should forgo the partial rez and grab the
IM instead. Then grab the improved resussitation (IR). Also by getting
the IM you decress the time it takes to recover fully. Bonuses all
around.

Is it better to have a heavy kit
for lots of protection when your
rezzing, or is it better to go with
a light kit for moving faster?

I would have to say the
lighter the better. Faster movements = getting to that guy 120m away. If
your going to be a full time medic there again lighter the better. If
you don't belive me ask jeff. He get as many rez as I do kills some
times. But for you front line people it's all up to your game style. I
have a full Heavy loadout just for the pump rooms. I wont be able to
move fast but with all those bullets flying around you can get killed
just by random gun fire. Hence the trem "spray & pray"

During each game, should you concentrate on getting lots
of points by
running around rezzing (and having a bad k/d) or by
getting lots of
kills?
If every one in our clan just runs
around rez'ing folks nothing would ever get done. Again with Jeff he
depends on you getting the kills. He has bad eye sight so aiming is just
not his thing. But we all love jeff and welcome him to our groups. Why?
cause he is just that good. If you just suck balls with the gun then a
full time medic is your best bet. But then you leave all the killin to
every one else. If you notice Jeff also backs away from the fight to go
across map to get the Mortar Battery back up. This is the effort I would
like to see in more of use.
To answer your question finally You
should always try to kill first rez later. But keep an eye out for the
one who is 120m away.
Player tip: by putting your Med Kit in your G1
loadout spot it will always be a click away then a click back to
killin.
How can you balance each kit for rezzing or killing?
Balance
is easy. YOU MUST ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS HAVE YOUR MED KIT IN YOUR
LOADOUT. G1 perferably
Is there a map that's really good for running
around rezzing?
Suppres and Sabo are the best for medics IMOP

Should a sniper move from his position to go rez
somebody?

YES, a sniper should always be on the move
anyway. Bunker down get 4 or 5 kills then move on. This will get him off
his ass to and force him to push forward. Since the world cup is on.
The sniper it like a goalie in the fact that he alone covers the back
lot. On a winning team the goalie always pushes out of his box. Winning
snipers should do this too.So get your fat lazy ass up and push forward
silly sniper.
Is smoke or flashbangs worth
having when your rezzing?

I think smoke it just the tits.
I use it to plant claymores and everything. Just remember to never toss
either a flashbang or smoke grenade close to friendlies. This will piss
us off and most likely get us killed. I have seen some bad uses for
smoke and now flashbangs in my games. They hurt us more than anything
else. Ever seem a red chevron through smoke or gas before. Thems easy
kills if you ask me. If theres a large group down yes toss it way in
front. Lets just repeat that WAY IN FRONT OF THE FRIENDLIES first. Smoke
actually takes some time to start kickin but when it does they can't
see shit.

Is an APC better for moving
around when your rezzing, or foot?

I have stopped several
times just to get a downed soldier up before I pass him by. It only
sucks if your not driving and the APC just keeps on going. That's why we
have mics. Talk about it first.
You "driver stop here for a minute
need to rez a teammate". Driver"copy that will wait" You "Ok lets roll
on".
Foot would have to be better as you can get just about anywhere
and you don't have to piss off your SL as he's screaming for his Tank
back.
How long should be the minimum you should wait for before you
bleed out?
There is no true minimum per say but if the red respawn
line in a squad mates name hits the clan tag just after his name bleed
out as you will spawn instantly.
[DOA] = bleedout spawn is at about 5 seconds
[DOA = do not bleed out as you will sit in respawn
for 16 sec.

Is it a good idea to give info to
people about the guys around you while
your in 'bleedout mode'?
No
and yes. most information is already know. Yes we know the're enemies up there.
By staying quite the enemies might not bleed you out and we can rez
you. If you see a guy planting claymores at the objective let us know.
If
so, what kind of info should you be giving your team?
Any info
pertaining to humvees, dinosaurs, if Godzilla showed up. Claymore would
have to be about it as we don't need an enemy count as this number can be wrong. You can't see through walls can you?

You didn't ask this but you should also keep
an eye on how many of your squad mates are dead. If 5 or more are down
call for a mass bleedout and regroup back at spawn.
Pay close
attention to the respawn bars that might show on other dead commrads.
Talk
only of claymores
broadcast your down only after a few seconds if
nobody notices you.
If your stuck in reload and surrounded youn might
just wanna bleedout.
If you get rez'd and die right away bleedout.
You might have to die a 3rd time and no one likes that.
other
thoughts on Rez'ing somebody
You should not just rez a guy right in
front of the enemy. Kill them first or back away till the area is clear.
Get
to that guy in gas FAST
DO NOT rez a guy when you only have half rez
and your surrounded.
DO NOT heal a guy thats getting fired upon
from 3 or more directions. Wait for him to either kill everyone or die.
You might have just waisted you gun fire and will have to wait 5 sec to
get him back up.
Heal anyone that has less than 3/4 of their health.
Save
the blue dot as they work great for meat shields.

Good info thanks for opening are eyes.

Thanks, but don't thank me, thank Dead and Alex, all I did was ask questions

If you guys have any more questions about MAG game play just ask. I'm no superman but I do know a thing or two about this game.

Thanks for the info.

Ok I have noticed a lot of our new members and some old ones that will rez you right in a knifes way. This is wrong guys. Kill him first. If he is right there standing on top of the dead body you wish to play god on and bring back to life. By all means kill the fracker first. If not then give it some time and run around the block then come back and rez. To manny lives are being waisted on this. He is right there and for some reason zipper made it so you can't get up gunning any more. It now takes a second for you to stand then be able to shoot or knife. The guy you just rez'd is now in a helpless state of limbo but can be shot or killed instantly.


So kill the guy first then rez. If you are on your last leg then back up, find cover and heal yourself first. The soldier will still have some time before he bleeds out or a healthy clan mate will come up and save the day.

Think before you rez please

*strokes shotgun*

I know i am guilty of this as well. Running into to rez someone not knowing or nor seeing the 3 people waiting to kill u and the guy u rezed again. Lets all from now on look around and see the situation before rezing. To help out with this is you are killed and there are several people(3 or more) around you go ahead and bleed out. While doing so give a heads up of "hey were 3 guys where i just died" Now that dont mean that if you are in a fire fight with a couple clanmates vs reddots and everyone is killing and rezzing to bleed out. Lets all use our heads more often. This will not only help each individuals k/d but will also help all be better overall.(more attentive of surrondings)

This is my opinion on the matter. It will be up to Dead to decide to make changes to it, or to tell me this is wrong and delete this thread.

considering everyone has mic's they should be giveing you the heads up what's going on.

Whilst playin with others i generally rez first poke shotgun in face afterwards, i do this because the person on the floor should know where any foes are hidin' 'n' i'll follow lead, if i have to pick 'em up again then so be it

Go in, take out 1 or two people, rez the guy, reload and then finish the job. If the guy's not a complete nincompoop, it shouldn't be hard for him to take out the other two guys while you take out the rest.

I agree, I do the suicidal rezzing alot less these days, I just feel bad if I take a minute to look around and get shot when I could have rezzed...heh.

This is probably one of my least favorite things to have happen to me. Nothing worse then starting out a game going on a killstreak just to go on a deathsteak because people just keep rezing without thinking. It's not as bad as it was when just about everyone ran with half-rez, but I still hate to get rezed and mowed right back down multiple times. Once I can understand, but after that I start getting annoyed.

I've gotten into the habit of pointing my screen at the enemy (holding R1 if they are close) while I'm down and bleeding out if I see someone running to get me, on the mini-map, when there are a few guys watching me. That way I can at least to some damage or give the person running to rez me 1 less death.

One thing confuses me. If your going to go and rez someone, tell them first. I have a habit of looking at my minimap, and if your not on it and there's a couple of people around me, I bleed out. Nothing sucks to me more then bleeding out and then watching a bluedot appear on my screen literally just as I do so. Use your voice and tell people to shut up for a sec so you can say something

Your right Kaelen. Letting one know your coming and maybe even give a distance as well. I know I always try to do this.

It sucks sometimes as I will bleed out and then someone says "aw I was just on my way to rez you". Then I think about how I'm very good at mind reading and must have misunderstood what he was just thinking. LOL

I think that follows with the 'oh don't bleed out, i'm 300m away from you but i'm coming anywas' = waste of time and extremely annoying. Go find someone else to kill/rez if you can't make it by the time I get bled out.